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[1:33] Hey everyone and welcome to bloody angola podcast 142 years in the making complete story of america's bloodiest prison and i'm jim chapman and i'm woody everton and believeit or not woody everton we are at the end of another season our fifth season that right crazy over a year old one best history podcast in the world people's choice award this year that's rightour blessing us um thank you If you continue to like and listen and share, it's freaking amazing.
In our episode we dropped last week, which was called The Black Code.
I mean, it's on fire. Right. On fire. Everybody's loving it.
Getting tons of comments, getting tons of downloads.
And we were glad to bring it to you. Kind of went back to our roots on some old history with the most notorious prison in Louisiana.

[2:27] And so what we're going to do today, Today, we've got a couple of breaking news stories that are within the past couple months that we haven't told y'all.

Troublemaker teens moved into Angola; later relocated due to conditions

[2:39] We've just been doing other stories.
We like to bring you some current news when we get it, so we're going to talk about that.
Then we're going to talk about some of our favorite episodes from this year and maybe what you can look forward to for next season.
So we'll start it out with we did an episode where we told you about the teens that were being moved into angola these were these were teens from uh the new orleans area that were actingout at their prison that they were currently in look my kids acting out these motherfuckers or taking hostages and escaping and burning shit down.

[3:21] Definitely a different type of acting out. A little more than acting out. That's right.
So what they did, the solution for this is they figured, hey, if you're going to act like adults and act like fools and thugs.
Let me say this to you. Again, you've got to remember this.
These are not in there for shoplifting. They're in for rape.
Murder. murder uh armed robberies carjackings serious shit okay and that's right and so don't ever lose light in the stories about these juveniles thinking like everybody just wants to thinkkids being kids and now these are my bad motherfuckers being bad motherfuckers worst of the worst yeah of of that that uh those type of things those type of crimes and so So theymoved several of these troublemakers into a unity at Angola.
Now, important to note, they were not around the actual regular population of Angola.
They can't even see it by law.

[4:26] An adult prisoner can't even see it.
Be able to see a juvenile prisoner and try to cut down on rape and, and all the other shit that goes.
Yeah. And they were actually, uh, so they moved to Angola and now they have been moved out of Angola. This in the past few months, this actually occurred September 15th, um, of thisyear.

Teens moved out of Angola to a new facility in Jackson Parish

[4:49] And I'm going to read you the article from, I believe it was the advocate, uh, where they talk about this and it says, Louisiana officials have removed all of the teens incarcerated atthe controversial lockup at the state penitentiary in Angola, which used to be death row. Yes.
And relocated them to a new facility in Jackson parish.
Officials said this on Friday of that, you know, Friday of September 15th, the North Louisiana facility where they had been moved, opened over the summer and already serves youth inlocal justice systems.
That from Otha Curtis Nelson, the state's top juvenile justice official.
He said the youth will be housed there temporarily while repairs continue on other facilities maintained by the Louisiana Office of Juvenile Justice.

[5:44] This announcement came just as dozens of advocates from across the state were protesting outside outside the gates of the governor's mansion, demanding immediate removal of theyouth from Angola.
Midway through the rally, news broke of the state's decision, and the call to action quickly shifted to a tearful celebration, especially among protesters with teen family members locked upat Angola.
The gathering erupted into cheers and church hymns.
Deborah Meares cried out in disbelief as she fell to her knees.
So they're all basically celebrating this decision. OJJ's decision to transfer the youth came after a federal judge last week ordered the state to remove the teens by Friday from the Angolafacility, a repurposed death row building at the maximum security prison in rural West Feliciana Parish.
U.S. District Judge Shelley Dick called conditions there intolerable, citing excessive use of solitary confinement, handcuffs and pepper spray, along with inadequate educational andmental health services.
The state has fought the order and won a temporary stay from a federal court earlier this week.
And Nelson said Friday that the agency would continue to appeal the judge's decision, though it has removed the youth from the Angola facility.

[7:05] OJJ's long-term plan is to transfer all the youth needing intensive therapeutic services to the new Swanson Center for Youth at Monroe.
Scheduled to open later this year. Once that happens, OJJ will stop using the Jackson Parish facility for juveniles in state custody.
The decision to move the juveniles to Angola came amid heightened turmoil at two state youth prisons that led to violence and multiple escapes last summer.
The problems prompted widespread criticism of the chaotic conditions experienced by juveniles inside the facilities and the threat posed to public safety so that threat being they keptescaping over and over and over again that's right and and so eventually uh they get moved into angola but as i just read to you they have uh they have been moved back out and they arein kind of like a temporary facility until the one in monroe which is in north louisiana y'all until that is is completely built.
I hate to say this almost, but I don't, because I can tell you it's absolutely true.
I used to be a supervisor at one of these juvenile prisons.

[8:22] And later on, my years in detectives and on the street in the detectives, I would arrest, I can't say all of them, but a lot of them, I'd arrest them for murder and stuff like that as adults.
Adults and it's unfortunate it's a life that they're going to lead so a lot of them are going to be going back to angola anyway i hope and pray that they all get straight but it is what it is yeahso what happened next y'all was you got this facility that they had to prepare although we'll def row at bloody angola they had to prepare and put house these kids right yeah well youknow what state louisiana doesn't want to spend any more money than they have to so what do they do do next and i'm gonna read you an article so louisiana what do they do right thejuveniles are out well louisiana has transferred 18 incarcerated women from the jetson youth center that are right outside of baton rouge and baker to bloody angola or louisiana statepenitentiary at angola um and anticipating a housing crunch louisiana's prison system last week moved 18 18 incarcerated women into a building at the All-Mail State Penitentiary inAngola.

Incarcerated women transferred to Angola temporarily to make room

[9:34] It's the same building recently used to hold incarcerated youth in the juvenile justice system.

[9:40] The Department of Public Safety and Corrections said it was forced to transfer the women to make room for three girls ages 16 and 17 at the women's prison at the Jetson Center forYouth in Baker.
That they all, it used to be, the Jetsons, it used to be the youth center, and now obviously it holds women.

[9:59] The relocation is expected to be temporary. All the women are supposed to return to Jetson in about a month once an expansion has been completed.
And I can pretty much assure you that the state of Louisiana, construction-wise, has never completed anything on time. So it might be a year from now.
But in all, there are about 430 women at the prison.
The department is currently preparing another facility at the Jetson location for adult offenders, which is expected to take approximately a month, as Ken Pastrek says. He's a spokesmanfor the D.S.C.
This latest turn of incarcerated people speaks to the operational challenges that come with imprisoning youth offenders, even when they are convicted of adult crimes and sentenced toadult prison.
And federal standards require correctional facilities to carve out special housing for incarcerated minors to keep them separated from adults, like I told y'all, like even being raped orturned down or whatever.
You are more likely to be sexually victimized in custody when you're a younger person by the staff, by volunteers, or by other prisoners, said Brenda Smith, the law professor at AmericanUniversity at Washington College of Law.

[11:18] That is true for both male and female offenders, she said. And I agree with her.
But Louisiana's prison for women did not have enough space to accommodate the three underage girls apart from the adults.
So it moved a small group of adult women to Angola while officials rearranged space at Jetson to fit everyone.
So the girls coming into the prison system and we...

Teenagers Convicted for Attempted Manslaughter

[11:45] I'm not going to read their names, y'all. I know they've been convicted, whatever, but they're still teenagers.
But they all pled guilty last month to charges of attempted manslaughter from the case we brought y'all about Ms.
Linda Fricke, where they ripped her arm off. Remember that?

Juvenile Justice: Rehab vs Treating Minors as Adults

[12:03] And, yeah, it was a horrible thing. They carjacked her and ripped her arm off, and she died.
So unlike adult prisoners juvenile justice facilities and treatment centers are supposed to be focused entirely on rehab children's advocates consider them more appropriate for youngpeople whose brains aren't fully developed yet but there's been pressure on williams and other prosecutors to treat minors as if they're adults in response to a perceived surge in crime it'snot perceived as actually is a surge in crime but especially when they are suspected suspected of committing heinous acts like Fricky's murder.
Still, sentencing teenagers to adult prisons doesn't mean they can be treated exactly like adults.
The Federal Prison Rape Elimination Act forces the state to offer protection to underage people to shield them from sexual abuse.
Minors shall not be placed in a housing unit in which the youthful inmate might have sight, sound, or physical contact with any adult inmate through the use of a shared day room or othercommon space, shower area, or sleeping quarters.

National Anti-Rape Act: Safeguarding Minors in Prisons

[13:10] And that's according to the National, whatever they call it, anti-rape act.

Louisiana's prison system regulations on youth and adult offenders

[13:18] Louisiana's prison system's own regulations mirror those of federal standards and the department shall either maintain sight and sound separation Separation between youthoffenders and adult offenders to prevent adult offenders from seeing or communicating with youth offenders or provide direct staff supervision when youth offenders and adult offendersare together.
So pretty interesting, y'all.

Speculating on the addition of female correctional officers

[13:45] Got to make use of the space. Got to make use of the space. I wonder who they're getting.
Maybe they're going to put some temporary female correctional officers on there.
There i would imagine i mean they have female correction officers already at angle right right right right right but i mean some of them work the you know everything from kitchens to theschools or whatever they call them the workshops and all that stuff but the they're still working somewhere and they're always got a shortage yeah so interesting very interesting and sothat's kind of some current news of uh of what's going on in louisiana a lot A lot of things going on at Louisiana State Penitentiary at Angola with all of that.
And we'll keep you updated as we progress.
And I'm gonna give a shout out, I'm not gonna say his name yet, we'll do it afterwards, to.

Bloody Angola Tour Announcement

[14:40] I'm not even going to tell you what his position was. Before we start the next season or during this next season, Jim and I are actually going to Bloody Angola. There you go. On atour.
And we just get to bring you a whole bunch more shit. That's right. That's right.
So speaking of the seasons and things like that, we just wrapped up what I would say was a pretty good season.
Season uh and so we're gonna.

[15:08] We're gonna recap that for you just real quick and uh and we'll get give you our thoughts on how these episodes went and the first episode one and two of season five or thenotorious charlie frazier yes i mean you know again i think we just need to make a move about him or so this dude makes bonnie and clad i don't know how they uh dillinger and all allthese other people get more recognition than charlie frazier because he was like the original badass 30 plus escapes and all kinds of murders and it's just bad shit built the red hat cell blockfour because of yeah because of one of the escapes where they killed some correctional officers yeah and uh and ended up dying uh you know an old man and in angola and becamefamous for making wallets and things like that. Leather crafts.
And, boy, I'd love to have one of his originals. We talked about that before.

[16:09] Yeah, that'd be cool. I'll have to look and see if they have any of those.
We might have to put that on Real Life Real Crime. Yeah.
So, you know, the people who aren't regular listeners bloody and goals get to learn about Charlie Frazier because he was just out there, bro. No doubt about it.
And we proceeded on and we talked about Duck.

Recap of Season 5, Episodes 3-4: Duck and Old Cop Stories

[16:33] Oh, my God. And not only did we talk about Duck, we had him on. Absolutely.
I'm biased towards all of them, like my children. But to be sitting in the room with an old cop who can actually tell stories.
What could he tell? And he's going to be coming on the original Real Life, Real Crime, y'all.
But it's just absolutely...

[16:55] Most fire episode yeah it was it was just in its own way right we were like two kids just sitting on the floor while daddy tells a story and if you listen bro you know we love you ohyeah and look he he has a million others he said that uh and i would love to just sit in the room and listen to those all day long so that was also a favorite of mine that was episode threeand episode Episode four, we brought you one we had been planning to do for a while, and that was the Angola Prison Radio episode.
Great, great, great. Talked about the history of it. How it came about, how it got started.
All the different events. Yeah, all the events and how much money they make.
Yes. It's all crazy, crazy.
Yeah, and I really enjoyed that one. And from there, we went to the river parishes, and we told you about the serial killer Daniel Blank. Yes. A couple of episodes.
Really, really good episodes.

[17:57] Y'all, you need to go listen to it. Yeah, we probably had more.
I probably personally had more messages on that particular series than any other one.
Right. A lot of fans listened to it and were like, holy shit, I remember this. I remember that.
And, y'all, we love it when you send us comments.
Yeah. Yeah, and just a crazy story there.
So then I did a solo episode. I don't remember what was going on with Woody.

Recap of Season 5, Episodes 7-8: To Kill Again and Angola Short Stories

[18:26] You might have been stuck in Wisconsin or something, but I think you were at that time.
But Season 5, Episode 7, To Kill Again, and that was discussing serial killers that were released.
Believe it or not, serial killers get out all the time.
And then they get released, and these were all covering serial killers that killed again after they got released from prison.
And then there goes the whole thing, like I did the one National Serial Killer, right? Yeah.
He just kills and escapes and gets resentenced and gets released and kills many, many more people.
Absolutely. And then the episode after that, I will solo in here again.
This was when you were in Wisconsin. Actually, Woody was supposed to be back for this episode, but he got stuck in the snow on the way back.
That was a hell of a thing, yeah. Yeah.

[19:17] Uh, so I was soloing here and I discussed three short stories of Angola.
I talked about John Whitley, the former warden convict, Billy Blake Johnson, who was a heck of a story with that guy.
And I discussed a little bit about the Angola golf course, which I had people reach out. They didn't realize I had, right. Oh yeah. It's, it's, you know.

[19:39] Real treat. You just have to get your security clearance before you can go play on it. That's right.
And that was Season 5, Episode 8.
And then in Episode 9, we brought you the Lakehouse murder story.
Yes, indeed. William Lee Jr. That was Part 1. That was Part 1.
Of 3. Of 3, which ended with Ms. Tillman, right?
That's right. who has a wealth of knowledge on this case.
And Fire, her husband, was here. He's a super cool dude, too.
Y'all would listen to it because, I mean, Jim really tore it apart.
And then Ms. Tillman came in and just like she's like had – she was like the one that brought the whole thing to fruition.
Yeah, yeah, really did. And had me going down all kinds of wormholes with that case.
For real. And then we came back and we brought you Targeted, which was the crimes of Kenneth Gleason.

Recap of Season 5, Episode 11: The Black Code

[20:41] Big time downloads on that episode. Very popular. Bad, bad dude.

[20:48] You know, just a punk ass bitch. Serial killer from Baton Rouge.
Yeah. And targeting black people. And it was just horrible. Used to be an Eagle Scout.
Used to be an Eagle Scout. And looked like an Eagle Scout. I mean, this was not a guy that you would look at.
Of course, he had problems as he progressed in his young life.
He was only 23 when he was sent to Angola.
Of course, took the coward's way out, killed himself two days after being convicted.
Once he got there, he was like, I'm pretty sure I'm all racist and I'm going to Angola.

[21:22] I'm about to get dealt with. Yeah. It's a story you've got to hear if you haven't.
And then our last episode which we just recorded last week and released was the black code that was the 13th episode uh jim did what he did or does and came up with some just absolutefire stuff and look it was a different time y'all and i mean you want to go back and talk about history and not repeating itself holy shit the stuff that went on back then oh yeah just justhorrible horrible uh part of history that nobody really wants to talk about but you know you're doomed to repeat that stuff if you don't remember history is history and uh it's like theholocaust and everything else yeah you remember and and in a hugely popular episode so far right uh just getting tons of downloads on that and and that was our 13th episode and ofcourse today we're wrapping everything up.

Announcement of Best of Episode and Top Episode of 2023

[22:21] And I want to let y'all know also what we're looking at as far as drops for, you know, it's the holiday time and it's kind of a weird time because you have that time in betweenChristmas and New Year's.

[22:35] We don't want you to have to, you know, go super long without getting your bloody Angola fix.
So next week we're going to drop a, it's kind of like a best of episode.
And that will be, that will be the week of Christmas.
It'll be two days after Christmas. Two days after Christmas.
And then the week after that.
And that's just two days before or three days before New Year's Friday, Saturday.

[23:08] That's right. Two days before New Year's Eve. That's right. So we're going to drop one next week that you're really going to like. It's going to be a little best of thing.
And then we're going to drop our top episode of 2023 the week after that.
We're going to do some special things to it, though, so you're going to want to hear it.
And that will be the week of New Year's. and then we'll be back on our regular schedule.
Right, right. But we're not going to, you know, we always drop around here.
So we want to make sure you get something new every week. You get a little taste of something, right? Yeah. And, you know, y'all have been fantastic to us.
Who knew we would be where we are today? But we certainly wouldn't have any of this without y'all. And we want to thank our Patreon members.
Yes. Y'all rock. Thank you for supporting us. Look, we've got a ton of Patreon episodes, and they get commercial-free early releases and all that stuff.

Appreciating and mentioning sponsors: Factor and HelloFresh

[24:03] But it's a business, and they help it run. That's right. And we really, really do appreciate it. And we appreciate our sponsors, too.
Oh, sponsors are huge. And Factor and HelloFresh have really come through for us.
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[25:20] I shouldn't say that, it's fine. It's fast, it's quick, quick, quick.
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Exciting things coming in Season 6 and thanking listeners

[25:31] It's delicious. I mean, obviously, it's chef-inspired, right? It really is.
And look, we've got some stuff coming for you in Season 6, and we're not going to spill the beans on it just yet, but we always try to bring you the most exciting things we can, and that isnot going to stop anytime soon.
We're going to still bring you some super exciting stuff coming with the sixth season.
Sixth season. Of Bloody Angola. It doesn't seem like it's been that long, does it? No, it's crazy. And it's all because of all of you.
Crazy Bless, and y'all are absolute rock stars.
That's right. If you're a local to this area, Baton Rouge, New Orleans.

[26:15] Well, Louisiana in particular, and you want to sponsor Bloody Angola, reach out.
Step in, because you wouldn't believe, if we can do it for these national sponsors, then why wouldn't we do it for our local people?
That's right. And it's always going to, if we do bring something to you, it'll be a product that we believe in and people that we believe in and it'd be worthwhile.
That's right. And look, this is the last episode before Santa Claus comes. Santa Claus coming.
So we do want to wish all of you, you know, Merry Christmas, happy Jesus's birthday, happy birthday, Jesus, whatever you do.
Happy birthday, Jesus, for me. For me. And, oh, St. Nick's coming.
Down the chimney he comes.

[27:03] And so we hope everybody gets to spend some good time with your families and friends and, you know, everyone in life that makes you smile.
I wonder if St. Nick ever stops at Bloody Angola. I bet he does.
Somebody in there has probably got a good dip.
I believe it. Some of them don't. I believe it. Some of them are getting the switches and ashes. Oh, yeah, they're getting cold.

Merry Christmas and Podcast Updates

[27:31] That's what it was, cold and switches and ashes, and you're stuck in the city.
That's right so uh merry christmas y'all we love y'all thank you for everything and look just real quick also real life real crime daily in real life real crime of course uh air five days a weekon uh on the real life real crime podcast channel so look for those and incidentally uh we are also also going to be available here very soon on YouTube music.
So, uh, for those people that do YouTube, YouTube now has a YouTube music channel.
That is basically a podcast version of YouTube that they've kicked off.
This is supposed to replace a Google podcast.
So look for that.

[28:21] Hopefully I'll get all that switched over.
It'll be nothing on your part that you need to worry worry about but it's a it's a new channel i'll get all those episodes uploaded on that youtube music so if you're someone interested in thatcheck that out as well and we just keep moving and moving up up up here at bloody angola and until next time i'm jim chapman and i'm woody overton your host of bloody angola apodcast 142 years in the making complete story of america's This bloody is prison.

Conclusion: Peace and Merry Christmas